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Suggested Itineraries: Vietnam

Vietnam Suggested Itineraries_coffeeEditor’s Note: I originally posted these Vietnam itineraries last December, to answer the many questions I was fielding from friends about where to go and what to do in Vietnam. Over the past few months dozens of travelers have asked some great questions about traveling in Vietnam, which I wanted to share. If you have a question, just leave a comment and I’ll do my best to reply.

Let’s start with the coffee. Because in Vietnam coffee is more than just a drink. It doesn’t come venti or frappuccinoed or with whipped cream. And it definitely does not cost $3.75 a shot. No, coffee in Vietnam is thick, cheap and super-sweet. And it is beautiful.

Good coffee is just one of the many happy discoveries I had in Vietnam. It was my first trip, and as an American I had some baggage about visiting. You know, the war and all. The Vietnam War (or as it’s called locally, the American War). Telling friends that I was planning a trip to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City (formerly Saigon) generated a shock-surprise-fear response that I was not prepared for, at least from people old enough to remember the nightly news reports from the battlefront.

So I was half-expecting a chilly response when I arrived. After all more than 400,000 Vietnamese civilians were killed in the war, not to mention the impact on the land itself (ever heard of Agent Orange?). There were plenty of reasons for the Vietnamese not to like Americans.

Yet the reality could not have been more different. No matter where I went, no matter who I met, the people of Vietnam were unfailingly polite, friendly, approachable. I am not just saying that, either. I’ve been to dozens of countries, and there is no contest here: by a mile the Vietnamese win the awards for “most friendly” and “most gracious.”.

Hoi An Cooking Class
Scott learns to cook in Hoi An

The other great surprise for me in Vietnam was the food. Fresh, simple and full of flavor. Since my trip I’ve become addicted to pho (rice noodle soup), which is delicious for breakfast or dinner; gao nep (sticky rice), which is suitable for the vegetarians among us; and nem (spring rolls), made with rice paper, minced pork, crab, mushrooms and extra-fine noodles called vermicelli.

I spent almost 3 weeks in Vietnam, traveling south to north from Ho Chi Minh City to Hanoi. My Vietnam itinerary is below, in case you’re planning a trip of your own. If you have questions about Vietnam, leave a reply and I’ll do my best to field an answer for you. You can also see some of my photos from Vietnam over on the Viator flickr site.

  • Bangkok to Ho Chi Minh City (direct flight)
  • 2 days in Ho Chi Minh City. I didn’t get a chance to visit the Mekong Delta, but wish I had. The city itself is worth exploring. The American War museum is first-rate. Plenty of restaurants, bars and clubs have opened in the past few years. I’ve heard some people say that Ho Chi Minh City has the best nightlife in Southeast Asia.
  • 3 days in Mui Ne, a postcard-perfect beach village, very quiet and laid-back. Definitely not as busy as Na Trang. I prefer the calm of Mui Ne to the bustle of Na Trang.
  • The it was off to Hoi An (via an overnight train from Na Trang to Danang). Hoi An was my second-favorite spot in Vietnam. The center of Hoi An is a well-preserved French Colonial relic, with limited access to cars. For me the place was heaven. Hoi An has cafes, street markets, riverside restaurants, and the best hand-tailored clothes in Vietnam. I took a cooking class and learned how to make fish wrapped in banana leaves, squid salad and homemade dumplings. For less than US$100 I also had 7 shirts, 3 pants, 1 jacket and 1 suit made to order. The quality is not perfect. But who cares at these prices. One tip: If you own a shirt that you like or that fits you especially well, bring it! The local tailors can make copies in a dozen different fabrics.
  • Halong Bay
    Boats on Halong Bay, Vietnam
  • We took a short flight from Danang to Hanoi, my favorite place in all of Vietnam. I don’t know what it is about Hanoi that I clicked with. Maybe the jam-packed streets, packed sardine-style with bicycles and mopeds, which you cross at your own risk. Or maybe the tree-lined streets bursting with all manner of stores, shops, workshops, alleyways, impromptu temples, sidewalk restaurants.
  • We also did a trip to Halong Bay, which is definitely worth doing. If the weather is hot, consider doing an overnight or two-night trip so you can swim and relax and take in the scenery. The setting is absolutely unique, with rounded rock formations as far as the eye can see, often shrouded in mist that gives Halong Bay an otherworldly feel.
  • Last but not least, it was a flight back to Bangkok. While you’re there, get a message at the Wat Po Traditional Thai Massage School (on the grounds of Wat Po itself, in the heart of Bangkok). It costs something like $5 for 30 minutes. Was it the best massage I’ve ever had? Yup. And it’s enough to make me plan another trip to Vietnam. Via Thailand, of course.

Scott McNeely

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82 Responses to “Suggested Itineraries: Vietnam”

  1. iZtrip Says:

    What do you think about Hue? I think that it is one of the best places in Vietnam!

    Kurt

  2. Scott Mc Says:

    I really enjoyed Hue, as well. It’s a very different feel. More like an open-air museum with some stunning architecture. It’s definitely worth a few days when you’re traveling in central Vietnam, for sure.

  3. Hedi Says:

    We’re planning a 2 week vacation in late May. Do you think there is a difference in experience if we go from North to South or would you suggest going from South to North?

  4. Scott Mc Says:

    Hedi — I really enjoyed going south to north for a few reasons. First of all, it was great to start in the south in HCM city. It was a good starting point, and being an American it helped me orient myself historically. I also enjoyed starting out with a few beaches and relaxing days (in Mui Ne, especially) before heading into the more ‘adventurous’ north. And honestly, I really enjoyed ending my trip in Hanoi. It is one of my favorite cities in Asia. I’m the sort of person that saves their favorite foods till last when eating, so the idea of starting in Hanoi (one of my favorites) just doesn’t sit right with me.

    It also depends what your goal is. If you are really keen to visit the Hill Tribes around Sapa, it might be wise to start in the north to make sure you have enough time / energy for the treks, then meander your way down south.

    Not sure if I’ve been any help! As you can tell, I think you can’t go wrong either way.

  5. Robert Says:

    Scott - My friend and I have about two weeks in southeast Asia. We were thinking of doing a week in Thailand and a week in Vietnam. What do you think? I know we could do just two weeks in Vietnam but we want to see both places. Do you have any suggested itineraries since we will only be able to spend a week in each country? Thanks so much for your help!

  6. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Robert. I think a week in Vietnam is OK but you will have to be very focused. I don’t think it’s feasible to see both the south and north of Vietnam in a week. You’ll simply be too tired from all the traveling.

    I’m sure people will disagree with me here, but I really really really like Hanoi. So I can’t imagine visiting Vietnam without spending time here. If you do it this way, you could spend a few days in Hanoi, do an overnight trip to Halong Bay, and then maybe do a 2-day trip to Sapa and the Hill Tribe areas.

    Otherwise, you could fly into Ho Chi Minh city, maybe do a few days in the Mekong Delta, and then go for a few days in Hoi An (which is my second-favorite spot in Vietnam).

    You’ll have a great time either way. Of course, if you can add a third week to your trip, so much the better!

  7. Robert Says:

    thanks for the advice scott. Unfortunately we only have 2 weeks due to the “job” issue so we figured that a week in each place might suffice although we would love to see both places. Because of our schedules we are planning on arriving into Vietnam on June 30th and leaving on July 7th. Will the weather be miserable with rain the entire time or will it be reasonable? We just don’t want to go if it is going to be raining the entire time. It’s obviously the rainy season but we were just curious as to how bad it gets and it would be great to get your insight. Right now we are planning on flying into Saigon (flights wouldnt work for Hanoi) and following your suggested itinerary and then flying to Phuket and traveling around Thailand. Any help would be great… Thanks so much

  8. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Robert. No, it won’t be miserable at that time. But you will definitely encounter some rain. I think the rainy season is more noticeable up north, so in one sense your itinerary in the south will work in your favor. My only advice is to be flexible when you arrive. Traveling in Vietnam is not ‘fast’. If the rains are severe, just be prepared to go slow and maybe cut a destination from your itinerary so you’re not caught trying to travel quickly from A to B to C in the monsoons.

  9. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Robert.

    One other thing — Cheryn just posted a new story on Hanoi and its old quarter. I agree with her, this is one of the most amazing places to explore in northern Vietnam. I’m not trying to make your trip decision harder, honest!

  10. Katy Says:

    Scott,
    Thanks for posting this– very informative and definitely makes me want to go to Vietnam!
    Another weather-related question; do you know what it’s like to travel at end of Sep/early Oct? Could one plan to follow an itinerary similar to yours, or will monsoons make it difficult or unpleasant? I realize that the average rainfall is still pretty high at that time, but I’m not sure how significant those numbers are in terms of having an enjoyable trip.

  11. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Katy. I think if you can swing it, go in October. That’s one of the best all-around months to visit Vietnam. In September it’s going to be cold and wet pretty much everywhere north of Nha Trang. So Hanoi would definitely be mushy and cold. That said, September is warm and wet in the south, so it really depends on your itinerary.

    But October is sort of a bridge between the two monsoon seasons. And it won’t be as cold or wet up north, nor as hot and wet in the south. October is a pretty good compromise.

    I don’t think the monsoon itself is that much of a travel hassle. You get used to it fast.

    So if you’re following my itinerary, go as late as you can (mid-October would be ideal) and start in the south and make your way north. That should give you the best chance of making the weather work with you, not against you.

    Happy travels.

  12. Michelle Says:

    Hi Scott!

    This is great information!

    I’m planning my trip to Vietnam as we speak and I’m wondering what your thoughts are on visiting Cat Ba during the rainy season. I’m planning to go at the end of June and would love to spend 2 or 3 nights on the island, but wouldn’t want to be relegated to inside the entire time. Are there other things to do besides the beach? And, can I expect ANY sun?

    Thanks!
    Michelle

  13. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Michelle.

    I hate to say it, but I have not been to Cat Ba island. So I’m not sure what the odds are of seeing any sun during the rainy season.

    Has anybody else been to Cat Ba island during the rainy season?

  14. PHIL BROCK Says:

    can any one advise what the weather will be like in hanoi and halong bay in september

    many thanks

    Phil

  15. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Phil. September is definitely wet, especially in the north. You can expect rain and some chilly nights, especially in Hanoi. For whatever reason, Hanoi is a lot colder than you’d think.

    There’s no reason *not* to go at that time. You just need to be prepared for some rain.

    Happy travels.

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  17. Duong, Ngo Hai Says:

    Hi Scott
    Iam a Vietnamese and working in Vietnam tourism field.
    So Iam very happy to read all the experiences you have in Vietnam.
    Hopefully, I see you in Vietnam again in near future.
    Many thanks
    Duong

  18. Amy Says:

    Dear Scott,

    I am going to Vietnam and Angkor Wat for my honeymoon in mid-December through the new year . What do you think the weather will be in the north? And, I’d like to hit some beaches first upon arrival from the states. What would your ideal itinerary be, including Cambodia?

    Many thanks!

    Amy

  19. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Amy, I haven’t been to Cambodia, so I’m not much help there. But in the north of Vietnam, December and January are good months to travel. Hanoi is dry (December & January are the two driest months of the year in Hanoi) and, though the weather is a little cold, it’s still in the 50F - 60F (15C - 20C) range. So go for it, you should be fine.

    Beaches? Well, I love Mui Ne. And if you’re on a honeymoon, there are plenty of high-end resorts and hotels to chose from, in case you want to splash out a little.

    Have fun!

  20. Norman Says:

    Hi Scott, we are in the early stages of planning a trip to Vietnam in 2008. So, we are totally open to dates and intineraries. How would you decribe the ideal 3 weeks in Vietnam, and what time of the year would you go to maximize good weather and any special festivals that would add something special to our vacation. We travel light and don’t look for 5 star lodging, but perfer to be as close as possibel to native culture. Any and all advice would be welcome.
    Thanks,
    Norm

  21. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Norm. I think March & April are great months to travel in Vietnam. You get some rain, but not too much, and some heat, but not overwhelming. So if you could pick any two months of the year for all-around good weather, I’d vote for March or April.

    In terms of an itinerary, with 3 full weeks, you could make the south–north journey in a fairly leisurely way. I I like the idea of spending a week or so in and around Ho Chi Minh City, a day trip or overnight trip to the Mekong Delta, maybe a day touring the Vietnam War-era tunnels. Then heading out, following a route similar to the one I describe above: Mui Ne, maybe a day or two in Dalat, a day or two in Nha Trang if you want a bit of nightlife, definitely a few days in Hoi An and Hue, then up to Hanoi. I love Hanoi, so I’d spend a few days there, then try to include an overnight trip to Halong Bay, and 3 or 4 days in the Sapa region.

    You can do all of this trip by bus and train; though it is also possible to fly (cheaply) from Danang to / from Hanoi, which cuts out one of the longer legs of the train ride from Hoi An / Hue.

    And then… I head over the border to Laos and spend a month there! I guess you only have 3 weeks, oh well, you can head over to Laos on your next trip.

    Hope this helps.

  22. Eddie Says:

    Hi Scott, my wife and I are heading to Hanoi for 6 days at the beginning of November. We were thinking of doing Hanoi for a few days, an overnight to Halong Bay and a 2-day trip to Sapa. I have been debating booking a tour ahead of time or reserving a hotel, getting into Hanoi and booking the trips the first day in Hanoi.

    In your opinion, is it better to book everything beforehand or to do it when we are there?

    BTW, your blog is very helpful. Look forward to getting your response.

    Thanks,
    Eddie

  23. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Eddie.

    So my advice is to book ahead. On one hand, that’s what you probably would expect me to say, since I work at a company that specializes in booking tours and activities ahead of time. Of course I am a little biased!

    But honestly, here’s why I think it’s better to book ahead. There are dozens and dozens of local providers, and it’s really hard to know who to trust / book with. And some of the companies in Hanoi do not do a good job explaining, up front, exactly what you get. For example, when we went to Hanoi the first time, we did not book ahead. And we ended up an a Halong Bay boat that had seen better days, unlike the photos in the office where we actually booked.

    We had a similar problem with Sapa. The company we booked with ended up changing the itinerary at the last minute, and not telling us.

    So, in a nutshell, that’s the reason to book ahead. I don’t want to sound like an advertisement, but, well, here it is: the whole purpose of Viator is to find high-quality local experiences, and to make sure you get what you pay for when you book. Have a look at the full list of Halong Bay boat cruises & tours and other things to do from Hanoi. And read what other travelers are saying. That’s always your best guide.

    I also think it’s a good idea to book a hotel ahead. Surprisingly, Hanoi does not have that many decent hotels. There are plenty of hostels and really cheap dorms. But if you want a private room, the selection is limited. When we arrived (again, without booking ahead) we ended up walking to about 6 different hotels before we found an available room.

    Hope this helps. Happy travels.
    -Scott

  24. Holly Says:

    Scott,

    My boyfriend and I are planning to go to Vietnam in the beginning of April for 2 weeks. We will end up with 12 or so days minus all the traveling. We were hoping to get to do the South to North trip, but are afraid that it will be too rushed and that we won’t get any relaxing time. Do you agree?

    So now we are thinking of other options, like maybe doing the North with an overnight train to Hue and Hoi An. Your suggested itinerary to another reader for the north was for one week - but how would you extend it to get the most out of 2 weeks?

    Thanks!
    Holly

  25. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Holly. Two weeks is actually a decent amount of time, so you should be OK. It won’t be 100% relaxed, and you will not see everything. BUt as long as you can live with these realities, you’ll have a great trip.

    I think the basic outline is as follows (you could do this north-south or south-north, depending on where you fly into). This is essentially the trip I outlined in my original post, which was about 12 days total (not including travel).

    3 days in Ho Chi Minh City, including day trip to the Delta and/or the Tunnels depending on your interest in history.

    2 days in Mui Ne (a great spot to relax, swim, do nothing) or 2 days in Nha Trang (more nightlife, more stuff, more people). You can skip these both if you want more time in & around Sapa up north.

    Bus to Hoi An, spend at least 2 days there, ideally 3. Then a day or two in Hue. If you had to chose one over the other, I’d vote Hoi An for sure.

    The catch the train (or you can even fly) from Danang to Hanoi. At least 3 days in Hanoi, which either puts you at about 12 days total. Or if you skipped Mui Ne / Nha Trang, then you could spend 2 (rushed) days exploring Sapa from Hanoi. Or a night or two on Halong Bay.

    Whoops. That’s more than 12 days total, isn’t it…?

    Have a great trip to Vietnam. Let me know how it all goes.

  26. Holly Says:

    Thanks Scott,

    Actually, I was hoping for an itinerary for 12 days in the north only, maybe with a trip down to Hue and Hoi An - but not any further south than that. Do you have an idea of roundtrip flight prices once we get there?

    Thanks again,
    Holly

  27. Scott Mc Says:

    Really cheap! About US$45 to fly one-way from Danang to Hanoi, for example.

    For 12 days just in the north, then I would definitely consider:

    3 -4 days just in Hanoi. It’s an awesome city.
    2 days (1 night) on a Halong Bay cruise.
    A day trip to the Perfume Pagoda (from Hanoi)
    2 full days just in Sapa, and then maybe a 2-day trek up into the hills.
    Fly one way, train back (or vice versa) from Hanoi to Danang and then immediately over to Hoi An (by bus) for at least 2 days / 2 night, ideally 3, in Hoi An.

    That would be a great trip, without too much traveling.

  28. dimas Says:

    hi scott

    I will have to spend at least one year workink with an ONG at Viet Nam, but I have a word where ever I choose to live between Hanoi or Saigon………………Is it that unpleasant Saigon for you never mentioned it? I mean you keep saying how wonderful is Hanoi. Will appreciate your feedback on this :)

  29. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Dimas.

    No!!!! I definitely don’t want to leave the impression that Ho Chi Minh City (former Saigon) is awful. Not at all. It’s just much larger, more developed, more hectic and more free-for-all than Hanoi. HCM City feels, to me, like a good place to live if you’re into nightlife, bustle and don’t mind the craziness of a large city.

    Hanoi, on the other hand, is smaller, less developed (though that’s changing fast) and not as overrun with bars, restaurants and the like, especially outside the tourist zones.

    I’ve never lived in either place, so maybe somebody that has will leave a comment. But I think it’s very much like comparing an apple to an orange. It really depends what you’re hungry for.

  30. Endre Says:

    oooh, I wrote a long story about the two cities but forgot the anti spam field and my comment was deleted..:(((

    so if you are young and outgoing, dont choose Hanoi!!

    Hanoi is dead…

    for europeans/americans both city is very crowded and noisy - no difference. Hanoi for the first sight looks better, wider roads, better organized - thats all. No social and night life in this city, especially since the new law. If you plan to go to the sea in the weekends HCMC also better for this (Ha Long bay is ok for visiting the rocks, but to enjoy a beach and the sea you have to go to the south..).

    so be carefull with Hanoi - I had to make the same choise as you - and I choosed Hanoi - great mistake! :) since that I had the possibility to know better both cities - I am moving to HCMC…

  31. Scott Mc Says:

    Thanks Endre for the insider’s tip. (And apologies about the spam filter!) So folks, there we have it: Hanoi is dead if you’re young and outgoing. That makes senses, it does seem like Hanoi is much more quiet and low-key. Endre, next time I’m in Ho Chi Minh City, maybe you can show me some good bars!

  32. Jessica Says:

    Scott

    You have some great advice! I enjoyed reading all the posts. What other areas have you been in Thailand? My husband and I are moving and were able to carve out 2 months to travel around southeast asia. We found out a short time ago and are planning to go this coming May - June. We are just now starting research and are having a hard time knowing where to begin. Our thought was to go to Thailand first and get our diving certification and then travel to vietnam, bali, singapore and cambodia. Not in that order…and we’re definitely not limited to these specific areas (except singapore to visit friends). Any other suggestions on what not to miss? Neither of us have been before. 2 months can go by quick so we want to have a tentative game plan. We even thought about checking into flights to india as well. Any advice you have is appreciated!!!

    Thanks,
    Jessica

  33. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Jessica. Yes I am jealous — 2 months! That’s an incredible amount of time! There are plenty of things to cover in Southeast Asia, but at least you won’t be rushed too much. And after a few weeks you’ll really feel like a traveler. Yes I am jealous.

    In terms of an itinerary, I think Thailand is a good place to start and end a trip. It’s probably the easiest place to travel in SE Asia, and it makes a great introduction. I think a few days in Bangkok, then maybe a week or so on the islands getting certified and hanging out. I’ve been diving on both Ko Samui and Ko Tao, as well as Phuket. I love Ko Tao because it’s very laid back, and not as developed as the other islands. But all of them are great. Then maybe, on your way out of Thailand after your 2 months is nearly up, take a few days and head up to Chiang Mai and Pai (read Cheryn’s description here: http://travelblog.viator.com/suggested-itineraries-thailand/).

    My last tip for Thailand — be sure to get that traditional Thai massage at the massage school on the grounds of Wat Po (see above in my original post). This is the best (and cheapest) massage you will ever get. I am serious. Do this, for me, please.

    From Thailand, you could either head south through Malaysia (read Kim’s posts about Malaysia here: http://travelblog.viator.com/?s=kim+Cofino) and then into Singapore.

    Or head from Thailand overland to Cambodia and then up into Vietnam.

    Personally I am not a huge fan of Bali. It’s a lovely place, to be sure. But if I were you, I would swap Bali for Laos. Laos is amazing. Really and truly wonderful. You’ll need some extra time to cover it, since the local transport is not great. But it is worth it. Especially Luang Prabang and the boat trip from Luang Prabang to Nong Khiaw.

    So I guess what I’m saying is, start in Bangkok then visit the islands, when you’re ready head south to Malaysia and on into Singapore, then catch a plane to Cambodia, when you’re ready head over to Vietnam, then over to Laos , then catch a final flight from Vientiane back to Bangkok. If you have time, spend a few days up in Chiang Mai.

    Easy. And wonderful. Can I come?

  34. Dalatian Says:

    Hi,

    I have just completed a south-to-north trip in two weeks. It was a bit rushed, but I thought I would share my itinerary for those who do not have much time like myself.
    1- I landed in Saigon from Hongkong in the morning. Checked in a cheap hotel ($30/night for a twin) and immediately ventured out to check out the downtown area Ben Thanh market, Main Cathedral, Saigon Opera House, Presidential Palace etc.. The next day was spent in the Mekong delta (My Tho). Came back to Saigon/HCMC and stayed there for another 2 nights/2.5 days to visit more places. Departed at noon for Da Lat on a bus.
    2- 2 nights/1.5 days in Da Lat. Departed at noon for Nha Trang on a bus.
    3- 3 nights/2 days in Nha Trang. Flew to Danang early in the morning.
    4- Based in Danang for 2 nights/2 days. I got a cab to Hoi An immediately after landing at Danang airport. Went back to a hotel in Danang for the night. The hotel (The Little Home) offered a taxi service to Hue. We paid 900,000 vnd ($57) for the whole day. We took Hai Van mountain pass to Hue for its scenic landscape and came back through the tunnel at night. Flew to Hanoi early in the next morning.
    5- Most of the first day to check out Hanoi and the old quarter. The hostel (Joy Hotel) offered really good tour packages for Ha Long bay. We chose the ’superior’ package which cost around $72/ea for 3 days/2 nights. We headed to Ha Long early the next morning.
    6- Spent one night on the boat, one night on Cat Ba island. Departed for Ha Noi at noon.
    7- Back to Ha Noi. Spent another 2 days/2 nights there to visit the city. Flew out of Noi Bai international airport to head back to the states.
    Regards,
    Another traveller

  35. China Tiger Says:

    hi. If you plan to go to the sea in the weekends HCMC also better for this (Ha Long bay is ok for visiting the rocks,

  36. tom Says:

    Hi there. Thanks for all of this information. it is fantastic!

    What are your thoughts on renting a car in Vietnam and working your way up from Ho Chi Minh City to Hanoi stopping at beaches along the way. Would having a car be more hassle than it’s worth?

  37. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Tom.

    I’ve never rented a car in Vietnam, so I can’t give you advice based on direct experience. However, I will say that the buses in Vietnam are good. And the train is not too bad. And it’s fairly easy to rent scooters and motorbikes (which I have done — a blast!) at the small towns along the way.

    My guess is a car would be OK, not a major hassle, but unless you really need it I think you could easily navigate Vietnam without one.

    But maybe somebody else has some advice — if so, please leave a reply and I’ll make sure it gets posted.

  38. Patty Says:

    Scott,

    Thanks so much for the info. It’s great!! I have a couple of logistical questions. First, I was wondering about transportation. Do I need to make a reservation for flights or train rides between the various cities (eg Vientiane to Bangkok)? For various itineraries, I’ve read “catch a plane from X to Y”. How much planning is really involved in catching a plane? How much should I be arranging from the states? Or, do I simply go to a local travel agency once I’m in-country? If yes, how do I know that it’s legit??

    Second, I was wondering about money. I read that there really weren’t ATMs in Cambodia or Laos. So, should I just go prepared w/a stack of travelers checks and exchange them at the bank for the local currency?

    With much appreciation,
    Patty

  39. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Patty.

    Trains definitely don’t require reservations, unless you want to travel 1st class. In which case I’d recommend booking a few days ahead of time once you’re in Vietnam or Thailand. It’s very easy to do this (though not all routes have 1st-class cars). Except on a few popular routes in Thailand, I’ve never had a problem with the trains.

    I booked all of my flights ahead of time, on the internet, though I’m sure it’s also easy to book through a local agency once you’re in-country. Still I think it’s a good idea to book ahead, as the flights are relatively cheap and definitely fill up. In Vietnam the main domestic carrier is http://www.vietnamairlines.com/.

    Not many ATMs in Cambodia or Laos, but plenty of them in Bangkok and Thailand. I stopped using Traveler’s Checks about 10 years ago (except for carrying a $500 traveler’s check for emergencies). So I usually bring USD with me, and then get local currency from the ATMs in Thailand and Vietnam, then exchange that. Of course, there’s no reason why you couldn’t bring traveler’s checks. Plenty of people do.

    Happy travels.

  40. Rex Matts Says:

    There are four of us (two couples 60+) who have traveled a lot. We want to go to South East Asia for a month or more. We like to stay where the backer packers stay because they know the ins and outs of travel and we enjoy talking with world travelers and exchanging experiences. Any sugesstions for travel to Vietnman, Thailand and Cambodia the fall of 2008 or later?

  41. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Rex. Apologies for the delay responding, I wanted to ask some people for advice on your question.

    And the feedback I’ve received is: everything I mentioned above in Vietnam would suit your group of four. So no worries there.

    In terms of Thailand, there’s a great Bangkok-Koh Samui-Bagkok-Chiang Rai loop you could do. It’s very backpacker-friendly (though you may find ore backpackers on the island of Koh Tao rather than Koh Samui, but both are great options).

    Cambodia? Check out Viator’s fly-in / fly-out trips to Angkor Wat from Phnom Penh. If you’re mainly interested in the temples, you can easily fly from Thailand to Cambodia (Phnom Penh) and then spend a few leisurely days at Angkor Wat (which is another magnet for backpackers).

    Hope that helps, happy travels.

  42. Laura Says:

    Hi there, just a quick question, do you think it would be totally inadvisable to travel to Vietnam and Cambodia in August. Thank you

  43. Scott Mc Says:

    No, not totally inadvisable. You just need to manage the weather a little, and the rains. August and September are warm and wet in the south, a little cold up north (in Vietnam at least). Just plan to take advantage of these two ends of the spectrum and you’ll be fine.

  44. David Mac Says:

    Hi,

    Just wondering what travelling round Vietnam etc would be like at start of June for month? Would the weather be really bad ? From Perth so do not mind the heat too much.

    Any help be awesome.

    Cheers

  45. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi David.

    June is definitely wet and humid, especially in Hanoi. It’s not the hottest or wettest month of the year in either Ho Chi Minh City or Hanoi, so it’s not going to be awful. But yeah, it’s going to be wet and hot / humid. I wouldn’t cancel my trip, not at all. Just be prepared for a bit of rain and a bit of humidity.

  46. Arun Jain Says:

    Hello:
    We are planning to be in Vietnam from July 6 to 18. We fly into Hanoi and fly out of Saigon. We have some questions:
    1. We are told that it will be rainy season. How bad will it be?
    2. We want o cover Hue, Hoi An, Saigon, and Halong Bay. We would welcome suggestions for itinerary.
    3. Are there any suggestions for hotels in $20 range? Should we make advance reservations? Is it safe
    to give credit card numbers to hotels in Vietnam from here?
    4. We would love to learn about cruise group for Halong Bay. Should we make reservations from
    here?
    5. Do we need to make transportation reservation from US as we move from North to South?
    6. We would love to learn about tailors in Hoi An.
    7. What precautions we need to take regarding eating food on the street and sea food?
    8. We enjoy oriental food (Chinese/Thai/Malay). We would love to learn about favorite places to eat
    local food.
    9. What vaccination we must get?
    Thanks for help

  47. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Arun. I’ll do my best to answer your questions one by one…

    1 - Well, yes, it will rain on you! July is one of the wetter months in both the north and south. I would not cancel my trip, not at all. But I would prepare myself for rain and humidity.

    2 - That’s a great itinerary. See my original post at the top for details.

    3 - I would browse a few of the guidebooks (Lonely Planet has a good Vietnam guide). There are plenty of hotels in the $15 - 25 range. It’s probably smart to book your first night or two ahead of time (in Hanoi), otherwise I would wait until you arrive and then simply call ahead a few days. I never had to give a credit card over the phone to reserve a room in Vietnam. I think it’s probably safe, but I would be surprised if you will be asked for a credit card number (unless it’s a large international chain hotel, and then yes, credit card is expected).

    4 - There are some highly rated Halong Bay cruises on the Viator.com website. Obviously I am biased towards Viator, since I manage the websites! But read some of the traveler reviews and make your own decision.

    5 - No need to book the train more than a few days ahead of time. So no worries there. If you plan to fly at all, I would look at the Vietnam Airlines website (http://www.vietnamairlines.com/) before you go. There are only a few flights a day, so it may make sense for you to pre-book your airfare.

    6 - Sadly I have lost the card of the tailor I used. But no worries — there are many many good tailors in Hoi An. If you want to try to find the one I used, the shop is on Nguyen street, south side, just before the intersection of Hoang van Thu.

    7 - I ate everything. And I mean everything. And I didn’t get sick. But I’m lucky like that. Exercise basic caution and you should be fine. The main thing is to avoid tap water (stick with bottled water).

    8 - Eating well in Vietnam is easy. Everything is fresh and local. My main advice is to follow the crowds, and eat where other people are eating. And pick up a decent English-Vietnamese phrasebook, so you can ask for foods you like.

    9 - Vietnam does not require any special vaccinations. That said, it’s always wise to have a current Hepatitis A shot, as Hep A is very common in Southeast Asia.

    Hope that helps, have a great trip.

  48. Andrew Says:

    Gday Scott

    Just a quick one as to the best times to travel. My girfriend is hindered by her school hols so we can either go from about 28th june to 18-20 july or 29th sept to 20th oct, which would you choose as to the better time to go.

    also would we be wise to try and fit in some of cambodia or laos in only 3 weeks or would you devote all that time to vietnam. She would like to finish off with about 2-3 days chilling on a beach so i’m presuming it’s wise for us to go from north to south. Is that correct??

    if we have 3 weeks would you travel to everywhere by bus or train or would you fly to some areas considering the time we are there.

    thanks for any help you or any others can provide.

    regards

    andrew

  49. Colleen Says:

    Hi Scott,
    I am planning a trip for 3 weeks in Vietnam in mid October this year. I have found this site very helpful and have planned to take a couple of viator day trips while we are there. I would love to know how you travelled from H.C.M.C to Na Trang and then to Hoi An. At this stage i am planning on stopping at Dalat, Nha Trang, Hoi An, Danang, Heu, and then flying to Hanoi. From Hanoi we will spend 2 nights on a junk in Halong Bay and maybe visit Sapa if time allows. I’m just not sure how to travel for the first part of the trip. Bus, train or fly?? How did you get from A to B?
    Kind regards,
    Colleen

  50. Henk Says:

    Hey Scott,

    Just thought I’d use this post to say that we are two couples who will be traveling to Vietnam, arriving on 3/29, and stay until 4/11. We are planning to start from HCMC, then go to a resort in Vung Tau (2 hour drive from HCMC) - owned by a friend, which I could get it for half price for people, then Mui Ne, Da Lat, Nha Trang, Hoi An then back. Since we have lots of contacts (hotels, resorts, friends, languages) we figured we could help whomever wanna hook up with us. There is always safety in number, and no, we don’t want any money from anyone. Just thought we’d help.

  51. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Andrew. Sorry for the slow reply, I was away for a week.

    Anyway, the travel dates are a tough question. June / July is rainier in the north, while Sept / Oct is rainier in the south. So it’s a little of six of one, half-dozen on the other.

    September / October is a little nicer in Laos than June / July, so if you’re heading to Laos we well, I vote for the latter time frame. Of course Sept / Oct is the rainiest of all in Cambodia…

    See, nothing is never easy. If you’re keen on a Vietnam beach holiday with a little Cambodia thrown in, I vote for June / July with 2 weeks in Vietnam and a week or so in Cambodia.

    If you want to get more into Laos, then I vote for the Sept / Oct window, skip Cambodia, and spend 12 days or so in Vietnam, the remainder in Laos.

    And yeah, I’d definitely consider flying. Either to / from Vientiane or to/from Hanoic or HCMC from Danang. Flying is cheap and safe, will save you at least 1 full day of travel.

    Hope that helps.
    -Scott

  52. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Colleen.

    I took a bus from HCMC to Mui Ne, then another bus up to Nha Trang. These were easy to book, cheap, and reasonably comfortable. From Nha Trang we took the overnight train to Danang, and from there had our hotel pick us up at the train station and drive us into Hoi An. This is fairly common, and most hotels in Hoi An offer free pick-up. Otherwise it’s a $20 taxi ride from Danang’s train station into Hoi An.

    The train itself is fine. You can reserve a bed, and the trains are decent. Not of the quality of Thailand, but not as bad as some trains I’ve been on…

    Just reserve the overnight bed a day or two in advance, as they do sell out.

    When we left Danang eventually, we flew direct to Hanoi. We thought about the train, but at that point it was another 30-hour haul. And the flight was quick and painless.

    Hope that helps,
    Scott

  53. Arun Jain Says:

    Scott:
    Thanks.

  54. Carol Says:

    Hi Scott,
    Another weather question: We can only travel the first part of August. We don’t mind heat but we have 3 teenagers who won’t appreciate lots of rain and definitely want some beach time. Do you recommend Vietnam at that time of year or should we consider another destination sun as Thailand?
    Thanks

  55. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Carol.

    August is definitely a wet month, especially in Hanoi. It rarely rains all day long in Vietnam, so even in August you won’t be completely water-logged.

    But being honest, if beach time is truly important, you might consider Thailand in August.

  56. Toby Says:

    Hi Scott,
    Im flying to HCMC in April and have 3 weeks to make my way to Bangkok where i fly home from. I only have a vague plan of what i want to see and i know its going to be terribly rushed but i want to see as much as possible. I was thinking of doing a week in Vietnam, a few days in Cambodia seeing Angkor Wat and Phnon Penh before exploring what i can of Thailand. Reading your blogg i’m beginning to think ive chosen the “wrong end” of Vietnam as Halong bay & Hanoi appeals to me. Ive bought my flights already so my options at either end of the journey are limited. What would be my best bet with only a week in the country?

  57. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Toby.

    I think you’ll be fine, so don’t worry about having made a mistake. There’s plenty to see in a week in the south; Ho Chi Minh City is definitely worth 2 - 3 days between the bars, restaurants, museums and sights. And then you have a choice to make — head to the Mekong Delta and the Cu Chi tunnels, or or head to a beach area like Mui Ne. I don’t think you can do both in only 1 week, so it depends if you want a low-key beach experience in Vietnam, or if you want some history.

    Hope that helps, happy travels.

  58. Sarah Says:

    Hi Scott,
    My friend and I are planning on a trip to Vietnam at the beginning of July, we only have 2weeks and are hoping to spend a few days in Cambodia therefore may only have 9 or 10 days in Vietnam. Would you recommend an organised tour? we looked into geckoadventures and intrepdid but their tours don’t coincide with our dates. Do you think we could plan the trip ourselves? We are 21 year old female students so we don’t have a lot of money and there are a lot of tour companies that are expensive. What places do think we would enjoy? any help would be appreciated.
    Cheers
    Sarah

  59. Misyt Says:

    Scott,
    All of your information is great! I may have missed the answer to this, but do you have a list of companies you reccommend to book rooms with ahead of time?

    Thanks,
    Misty

  60. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Sarah — I don’t think you need an organized tour, not if you are OK doing things on your own. Vietnam is very safe to travel in, the people are incredibly friendly, and the scam factor is very, very low. So I think you’ll be fine. The very fact that you’re even contemplating a trip on your own suggests that, yes, you’ll be totally good to go on your own.

    In terms of where to go, with only 9 days, I think you could do a condensed version of the main itinerary (up at the top of this post), maybe not doing the Mekong Delta and instead focusing on Ho Chi Minh City, Hoi An, Danang and Hanoi, maybe with a one-day trip to Halong Bay (this you can book on Viator). It would be a shame to miss either Ho Chi Minh City or Hanoi, so I do think you should try to cover both.

    Have fun!

  61. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Misty.

    This is a tough one. I don’t think there is a single site that does Vietnam hotels well. The Lonely Planet booking service has some hotels, but the selection is not very deep.

    You could also try Hostelworld, but again, not a huge amount of selection.

    Vietnam is still a fairly low-tech country, at least when it comes to booking things directly online. For hotels, your best bet is likely to buy a guidebook or two, and make some phone calls once you arrive. Even calling a few days ahead of time is often enough advance-notice to book a room.

    -Scott

  62. Belinda Says:

    Hi Scott,

    I just wanted some advice in regards to my travels to Vietnam in June.

    We fly into Hanoi (were doing it first as i can’t wait till last) at 10.15am on 5 June and fly out of Ho Chi Minh City on 17 June so all up we have 12 days including travelling.

    The places that we really want to go to are:

    Hanoi (Visit the old quarter and surrounding areas) and Halong Bay
    Hoi An
    Hue
    Ho Chinh Minh City and Mekong Delta.
    We are going to skip Nha Trang (as we are going to Koh Samui after our travels in Vietnam)

    Is this possible in 12 days. Is there a rough itinerary that you can suggest?

    Thanks very much
    Belinda

  63. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Belinda.

    ctually, I think you’ve done a good job here. You can definitely cover all that ground in 12 days — it will be a little rushed, but completely manageable. At least in my humble opinion. My only advice is to consider flying from Hanoi to Danang, and save yourself a long (12 - 14 hours) on the train. You can still train down from Danang, to get the overnight train experience. But you don’t need to catch two overnight trains, not with only 12 days.

    I also think you should maybe be flexible with the Mekong Delta. If you end up rushed at the end of the trip, maybe skip it and spend an extra (more leisurely day) in Ho Chi Minh City. It’s a great city, plenty to see, and maybe you can save Mekong for your next trip.

    Anyway, I think you should be confident that you have a good itinerary. Let me know how the trip goes.

    -Scott

  64. Belinda Says:

    Thanks very much for your input Scott I really appreciate it.

    yep I shall let you know how it goes.

    Cheers
    Belinda

  65. Anna Says:

    Hi Scott

    All of your information is great. We’re planning a trip for 2 weeks to vietnam in mid sept. We’re thinking of possibly spending most of the time in the south, especially at the beaches. You’re previous responses suggest this may not be the best time for the sun? Do you think we should possibly reconsider the dates of travel? Although we can’t go any earlier than sept.

    Many thanks
    Anna

  66. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Anna.

    Yeah, it is rainy in the south of Vietnam in September, but I don’t think I’d cancel my entire trip. Not at all. The later in the month you go, the better the weather. So if you can straddle September and some of October, you should be fine. October is a good all-around month to visit Vietnam. So again, if you can go late in September, you’ll increase the odds of some good beach weather.

    Happy travels.
    -Scott

  67. Anna Says:

    That’s great. Many thanks for getting back to me.

    Anna

  68. Belinda Says:

    Hi Scott,

    I am looking to get a leather jacket made in Vietnam somewhere. Can you suggest any good tailors?

    Cheers
    Belinda

  69. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Belinda.

    Sorry, my expertise doesn’t go that deep! All I can say is, talk to other travelers you meet and try to get a feel for why some people are really happy with the clothes they have tailored, and why others aren’t.

    I know (from personal experience) that the most successful tailoring I had done in Vietnam was when I brought a sample of the shirt or pants I wanted made, for them to copy. Yes yes yes, I probably just broke every law about trademarks and intellectual property that exists, but it’s true — I brought a handful of my favorite shirts and pants with me to Vietnam, to be used as a model. And I’m glad I did — they came out very well, much better than the clothes designed on spec.

    Anyway, talk to other travelers, get their advice, and just go for it!
    -Scott

  70. Belinda Says:

    Great thanks Scottt.

    I thought that it was a long shot but thought that i would ask anyway.

    I plan on taking a dress and some pants that i want copied. Hopefully they’ll do a good job.

    Thanks for your advice. It’s only 1 month yesterday till we leave now! .. Getting excited.

    Cheers
    Belinda

  71. lisa Says:

    hello - this forum has been so helpful! I am planning a trip for Oct to HCM. Nohting is booked yet but I would like to go for 2 wks and work south to north. Has anyone been to Cat Ba? What about Laos from Vietnam? thanks!

  72. Taylor Says:

    Hi Scott,

    All of your information has been so helpful! I have a couple more questions. I am traveling to Vietnam this summer with two other friends (all of us ~21 year old girls). Will it be a problem to find lodging for three people?

    We have 20 days total and would like visit both Thailand and Vietnam. I was looking at the itinerary you suggested a few posts up that was 9 days and had stops in HCMC, Hoi An/Danang, and then Hanoi. In your original itinerary you took trains from HCMC up to Danang and then flew to Hanoi. How long of a train ride will this be? For a shortened trip like ours would you recomend taking a train or flying?

    Finally, I just wanted to check and make sure I was clear on your booking suggestions. Do you suggest booking hotels, flights, and tours before arriving in the country but getting train tickets a few days before travel? What is the best way to book a hotel in Vietnam so far in advance? We have travel books but most of the hotel listings lack websites.

    Thanks so much for any information you have…we’re really looking forward to the trip!

  73. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Lisa — Hopefully somebody will leave some thoughts about Cat Ba and traveling into Laos from Vietnam. I’ll make sure to post it, if they do.

    Hi Taylor — I don’t see why you should have any problems traveling in a group of three. Plenty of hotels and family-run places will have room for three, no worries. The train I was referring to is actually from Na Trang to Danag (then by bus / car into Hoi An). This was an overnighter, maybe 12 hours, I can’t remember exactly. But definitely overnight.

    On the booking, I think you can book trains and most hotels once you arrive. The only exception is, I always like to have a hotel reserved on my first few nights, so you can usually email or call (it’s not that expensive). I also think the plane tickets should be reserved ahead of time (before you arrive if possible) since they fill up, especially in high season.

    Hope that helps!
    -Scott

  74. Belinda Says:

    Hi Scott,

    Getting excited! It’s only 1 week today before we leave. However, i have not done a thing about getting malaria tablets. Based on the above and where i am travelling (including Mekong Delta)as we have managed to fit it in. Do you need to take Malaria tablets? I have looked on traveldoctor and he has said no but thought that i would check wtih you.

    We fly into Hanoi (were doing it first as i can’t wait till last) at 10.15am on 5 June and fly out of Ho Chi Minh City on 17 June so all up we have 12 days including travelling.

    The places that we really want to go to are:

    Hanoi (Visit the old quarter and surrounding areas) and Halong Bay
    Hoi An
    Hue
    Ho Chinh Minh City and Mekong Delta.

    Thanks
    Belinda

  75. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Belinda.

    If the Viator lawyer were here, they’d probably make me say something like “I am not a doctor, so I am not allowed to dispense aspirin let alone medical advice. I only play a doctor on television, not in real life.”

    Thankfully the Viator lawyer isn’t reading our blog! So I can say this: I have not taken malaria pills in Vietnam. I met many people who did not. If you’re spending a lot of time inland, or in the delta,or up in the Hill Tribe regions, it is probably a good idea to take malarial pills or some similar preventative medicine. But many people traveling on itineraries similar to yours do not take pills.

    I personally had a very negative reaction to malaria pills once, so I only take them if I really, really, really need to. Otherwise I exercise standard precautions such as staying indoors at dusk, wearing repellent, and sleeping under a mosquito net if I’m camping or staying in a basic accommodation. Luckily, most hotels in Vietnam are well equipped and I only used my mosquito net once.

    So again, follow your own instincts. But know that, if you decide against malaria pills for your trip, you will not be alone.

    Safe travels, keep us posted.
    -Scott

  76. Belinda Says:

    Funny you should say Lawyers - I actually work in a lawfirm! That’s cool.

    Thanks very much for the information that you gave me. I’ll post on this blog when i get back - only 3 more days and we are off.

    CHeers
    Belinda

  77. Anh Says:

    Thank you for your kind information, Scott…I’m sure our country of Vietnam would strive all we could to not disappoint you on your trip to Vietnam. Look forward to welcoming you all….

  78. domsy23 Says:

    Hello… Planning a trip using discovery airpass in July… we want to fit as much as we can in our 3 week allowance.
    here it is

    Location Arrive Duration Depart

    Mancheter 7th Transit 7th

    (Flight)

    London 7th Transit 7th

    (Flight)

    Bangkok 8th 1 night 9th

    (Flight)

    Luang Prabang 9th 5 night 14th

    (Flight)

    Hanoi 14th 5 night 19th

    (Flight)

    Vientiene 19th 1 night 20th

    (Flight)

    Phnom Penh 20th 3 night 23rd

    (Overland)

    siem Reap 23rd 3 night 26th

    (Flight)

    Bankok 26th 1 night 27th

    (Flight)

    London 27th Transit 27th

    (Flight)

    Manchester Transit 27th

    That’s it… all in three weeks…I relise this may little rushed..however will be a fir old challenge if you know what I mean…

  79. Derek Says:

    My wife and I are going to be traveling throughout Vietnam from July 18 - Aug 2 (then on to cambodia). We are starting off in Hanoi. Does anyone have any good suggestions for a clean hotel in the Old Quarter for around $20/night for 2 people that has private bath, AC/Fan and is safe? Also, any other suggestions for the other destination points? I would love to pay a little extra to have a private bungalow on the beach in any of our travel points.

    How does 5 nights in Hanoi/Sapa, 2 nights in Ha Long Bay, 2 nights in Hue/Hoi An, 2 nights in Miu Ne, 2 - 3 nights in HCMC and maybe a night or two on Pho Quoc island sound?

    I have heard that the central coast will be drier and nicer during the time we are there while the north and south may be pretty wet. Any suggestions?

    Also, has anyone traveled on Air Asia? Is it like Southwest Airlines in the US with decent planes and how easy is it to book a flight with short notice? Or would you suggest just flying on Vietnam Airlines on short notice? Average price of a fare from Hue/Hoi An to HCMC?

    Thx, Derek

  80. Derek Says:

    Does anyone know where Scott is? Is he still alive? He was so good at responding to people and then Domsy and I send comments and no word. I hope he is okay. Maybe he is traveling through another exotic country with limited access to internet. Lets hope for the best.

  81. Scott Mc Says:

    Hi Derek, Domsy.

    Apologies, I am not ignoring you. Not at all. I was hoping some other travelers to Vietnam might also have some tips for you about Air Asia, but I guess nobody is in the sharing mood.

    In terms of your itinerary, it looks great. I’ve not been to Pho Quoc, so I can’t comment on its relative merits. But everything else looks excellent. Just be sure to be flexible with the Hanoi / Sapa leg of your trip. The roads are not great, and it’s easy to run into delays in Sapa. Especially this time of year, when the rains are heavy. Five days should be enough, just be ready to shift things around a little in case you’re delayed.

    I think Hue and Hoi An should get the best weather during the time you’re traveling, so don’t be afraid to add an extra day there. Mui Ne may be a bit wet for hanging out on the beach; you should definitely check the weather once you arrive and see if it’s worth swapping those 2 nights in Mui Ne for an extra 2 nights in Hue / Hoi An.

    Have a great trip…
    -Scott

  82. Derek Says:

    Thanks Scott. I thought that we may lose some days here or there due to the weather and hopefully it wont be as bad in the south. Hoi An and Hue looks great!

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